If the carbon14 used to date an organism, let's say an elephant is derived mainly from the plants ingested, and the elephant is dated by comparing it's ratio of carbon atoms to another elephant's ratio of carbon atoms, how do you account for the amount of plants the elephant actually ate? For illustrative purposes, let's assume elephant A ate mostly peanuts and a little grass and elephant B ate mostly grass So let me just draw the surface of the Earth like that. It's just a little section of the surface of the Earth. And then we have the atmosphere of the Earth. I'll draw that in yellow Well, if it only has 1/4 the carbon-14 it must have gone through two half lives. After one half life, it would have had 1/2 the carbon. And then after another half life, half of that also turns into a nitrogen-14.
Whenever the worldview of evolution is questioned, the topic of carbon dating always comes up. Here is how carbon dating works and the assumptions it is based upon. How Carbon Dating Works Radiation from the sun strikes the atmosphere of the earth all day long. This energy converts about 21 pounds of nitrogen into radioactive carbon 14. This radioactive carbon 14 slowly decays back into normal, stable nitrogen. Extensive laboratory testing has shown that about half of the C-14 molecules will decay in 5,730 years.
This is called the half-life. After another 5,730 years half of the remaining C-14 will decay leaving only 1⁄4 of the original C-14.
It goes from 1⁄2 to 1⁄4 to 1⁄8, etc. In theory it would never totally disappear, but after about 5 half-lives the difference is not measurable with any degree of accuracy. This is why most people say carbon dating is only good for objects less than 40,000 years old. Nothing on earth carbon dates in the millions of years, because the scope of carbon dating only extends a few thousand years. Willard Libby invented the carbon dating technique in the early 1950s.
The amount of carbon 14 in the atmosphere today is about .0000765%. It is assumed there would be the same amount found in living plants or animals since the plants breath CO₂ and animals eat the plants. Dr. Hovind explains Carbon Dating in this video. Since sunlight causes the formation of C-14 in the atmosphere, and normal radioactive decay takes it out, there must be a point where the formation rate and the decay rate equalizes.
This is called the point of equilibrium. To illustrate: If you were trying to fill a barrel with water but there were holes drilled up the side of the barrel, as you filled the barrel it would begin leaking out the holes. At some point you would be putting it in and it would be leaking out at the same rate.
You will not be able to fill the barrel past this point of equilibrium. In the same way the C-14 is being formed and decaying simultaneously. A freshly created earth would require about 30,000 years for the amount of C-14 in the atmosphere to reach this point of equilibrium because it would leak out as it is being filled.
Tests indicate that the earth has still not reached equilibrium. There is more C-14 in the atmosphere now than there was 40 years ago. This would prove the earth is not yet 30,000 years old! This also means that plants and animals that lived in the past had less C-14 in them than do plants and animals today. Just this one fact totally upsets data obtained by C-14 dating. The carbon in the atmosphere normally combines with oxygen to make carbon dioxide (CO₂).
Plants breathe CO₂ and make it part of their tissue. Animals eat the plants and make it part of their tissues. A very small percentage of the carbon plants take in is radioactive C-14. When a plant or animal dies, it stops taking in air and food so it should not be able to get any new C-14. The C-14 in the plant or animal will begin to decay back to normal nitrogen. The older an object is, the less carbon 14 it contains.
One gram of carbon from living plant material causes a Geiger counter to click 16 times per minute as the C-14 decays. A sample that causes 8 clicks per minute would be 5,730 years old (the sample has gone through one half-life) and so on. The Assumptions of Carbon Dating Although this technique looks good at first, carbon-14 dating rests on at least two simple assumptions.
These are, obviously, the assumption that the amount of carbon 14 in the atmosphere has always been constant and that its rate of decay has always been constant. Neither of these assumptions is provable or reasonable. An illustration may help: Imagine you found a candle burning in a room, and you wanted to determine how long it was burning before you found it.
You could measure the present height of the candle (say, 7 inches) and the rate of burn (say, an inch per hour). In order to find the length of time since the candle was lit, we would be forced to make some assumptions. We would, obviously, have to assume that the candle has always burned at the same rate, and assume an initial height of the candle. The answer changes based on the assumptions.
Similarly, scientists do not know that the carbon-14 decay rate has been constant. They do not know that the amount of carbon 14 in the atmosphere is constant. Present testing shows the amount of C-14 in the atmosphere has been increasing since it was first measured in the 1950s. This may be tied in to the declining strength of the magnetic field. In addition to the above assumptions, dating methods are all subject to the geologic column date to verify their accuracy.
If a date obtained by radiometric dating does not match the assumed age from the geologic column, the radiometric date will be rejected. The so-called geologic column was developed in the early 1800s over a century before there were any radio- metric dating methods. “Apart from very ‘modern’ examples, which are really archaeology, I can think of no cases of radioactive decay being used to date fossils.” Laboratories will not carbon date dinosaur bones (even frozen ones which could easily be carbon dated) because dinosaurs are supposed to have lived 70 million years ago according to the fictitious geologic column.
An object’s supposed place on the geologic column determines the method used to date it. There are about 7 or 8 radioactive elements that are used today to try to date objects. Each one has a different half-life and a different range of ages it is supposed to be used for.
No dating method cited by evolutionists is unbiased. The Wild Dates of Carbon Dating A few examples of wild dates by radiometric dating: • Shells from living snails were carbon dated as being 27,000 years old.
• Living mollusk shells were dated up to 2,300 years old. • A freshly killed seal was carbon dated as having died 1,300 years ago. • “One part of the Vollosovitch mammoth carbon dated at 29,500 years and another part at 44,000.” • “Structure, metamorphism, sedimentary reworking, and other complications have to be considered. Radiometric dating would not have been feasible if the geologic column had not been erected first.” • Material from layers where dinosaurs are found carbon dated at 34,000 years old.
2 Peter 3:15 Yourself with these Resources by Dr. Don DeYoung by Vance Ferrell • Ager, Derek V., “Fossil Frustrations,” New Scientist, vol. 100 (November 10, 1983), p. 425) • (Creation Seminar Part #7; Bones of Contention by Marvin Lubenow; Scientific Creationism by Henry Morris) • Science vol.
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54 • Reginald Daly, Earth’s Most Challenging Mysteries, 1972, p. 280 Eric Hovind grew up immersed in the world of apologetics and following college graduation in 1999, he began full-time ministry. President and Founder of Pensacola-based organization, Creation Today, Eric’s passion to reach people with the life-changing message of the Gospel has driven him to speak in five foreign countries and all fifty states. He lives in Pensacola, Florida with his wife Tanya and three children and remains excited about the tremendous opportunity to lead an apologetics ministry in the war against evolution and humanism.
best carbon dating history of life on earth - Evolutionary history of life
and other are used to measure the age of fossils, rocks, and other materials that make up Earth's geologic history. These techniques are reliable and valid.
They provide clues into our earliest origins. And they contribute to the hundreds of lines of evidence supporting , which continues to stand the test of time. One of the ways that researchers measure the age of organic material is through . In 1960, won a Nobel Prize for developing this technology.
See, all living things contain carbon, which has six protons and six neutrons, so in its typical form, we call it . But at any given time, there are trace amounts of , or C14, in the atmosphere. C14 is a that's made when atoms at high altitudes, converting them to this excited form. When some living things, like plants and algae, make their own food through , they take in carbon dioxide from the air. make up a tiny percentage of that carbon dioxide, and it's integrated into the tissues of the organism.
Then creatures that can't make their own food through photosynthesis (like us) eat the ones that can, and that C14 is taken into our bodies as well.
And because there's a of C14 in the atmosphere, there's a constant, corresponding quantity of it , at least while they're still alive. C14 is . That doesn't mean it's dangerous, only that it's unstable. Over time, it decays back into nitrogen. See, when an organism dies, it stops taking in carbon. And the C14 in the organism's tissues starts to decay at a precise speed, but the amount of carbon-12 stays the same, since it's not radioactive.
Now, some people who may base their claims on words in the Bible, not measurable evidence. And one to cast doubt on radiocarbon dating is to point out its shortcomings. For example: C14 has a relatively short half-life. So, only has too little C14 left to make an accurate calculation of its age. But C14 isn't the only radioisotope out there. There are tons of them! If I wanted to find out the , I might measure its concentration, which has a half-life of 704 million years.
Radioactive isotopes like and have half-lives in the billions of years. When Charles Darwin published "" in 1859, he didn't have all the answers. We still don't. But I can tell you this for certain: . Man never walked with dinosaurs and . Scientific advances are made every day in hundreds of disparate fields. And not one of these findings has served to undermine the theory of evolution. Not one. Not a single fossil discovery has been out of place, on the wrong continent or in the wrong rock.
There's and no form that was intelligently designed. The data simply don't support it. And that's the greatest thing about : it just is. And it'll keep on happening whether you believe in it or not.
Time Event 4.6 billion years: The Sun formed from the gravitational collapse of a region within a large molecular cloud. Most of the matter gathered in the center (Sun), while the rest flattened into an orbiting disk that became the Solar System ( Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune).
Sun was about 70% as bright as today. Our solar system is currently orbiting at around 24,000â€“26,000 light-years from the galactic center of the Milky Way, completing one orbit in about 225â€“250 million years. The distance of the Sun from Earth is approximately 149.6-million kilometers.
At this average distance, light travels from the Sun to Earth in about 8 minutes and 19 seconds. 4.5 billion years: Earth collided with a planetoid the size of Mars.
Fragments orbited Earth and formed the Moon. At this time, moon was orbiting at about 64,000 km from Earth. Earth did not yet have water. 3.9 billion years: Meteorites bombarded Earth bringing along water and other elements. Earth’s atmosphere became mostly carbon dioxide, water vapor, methane, and ammonia. 3.8 billion years: Surface of Earth changed from molten to solid rock. Water started condensing in liquid form.
Earth day was 15 hours long. 3.6 billion years: First simple cells, oxygen producing bacteria. 3.4 billion years: Stromatolites demonstrated photosynthesis; a process used by plants and other organisms to convert light energy captured from the sun into chemical energy. 2.2 billion years: Organisms with mitochondria capable of aerobic respiration appeared. 2.0 billion years: Meteor impact, 300 km crater in South Africa.
1.8 billion years: Meteor impact, 250 km crater in Ontario, Canada. 1.6 billion years: Complex single-cell life appeared. 1.5 billion years: Organisms with complex cells containing nucleus appeared. 1.2 billion years: Sexual reproduction appeared, increasing the rate of evolution. 1.0 billion years: Multicellular life appeared. 900 million years: Earth day was now 18 hours long. Moon was about 350,000 km from Earth. 650 million years: Snowball Earth, the entire Earth was covered in ice for many million years.
Mass extinction of 70% of dominant sea plants. 590 million years: Meteor impact, 90 km crater in Acraman, South Australia. 580 million years: Simple, soft-bodied organisms developed i.e. Jellyfish. The accumulation of atmospheric oxygen allowed the formation of the ozone layer. This blocked ultraviolet radiation, permitting the colonisation of the land.
The ozone layer is found at approximately 20 to 30 kilometres (12 to 19 miles) above Earth, it absorbs 97â€“99% of the Sun’s medium-frequency ultraviolet light which potentially damages exposed life forms. 570 million years: Arthropods appeared, ancestors of insects. 560 million years: Earliest fungi. 530 million years: Fish appeared. Major diversification of living things in the oceans. 443 million years: Mass extinction, 49% of life disappeared.
434 million years: The first primitive plants moved onto land, having evolved from green algae living along the edges of lakes. They are accompanied by fungi, which may have aided the colonization of land through symbiosis. 410 million years: Fish developed teeth and jaws.
Spiders, Centipedes appeared. 374 million years: Mass extinction, 70% of marine species disappeared. 370 million years: First amphibians, ancestors of frogs, toads, etc… 360 million years: Crabs appeared. 363 million years: Insects roamed the land and would soon take to the skies; sharks swam the oceans as top predators, and vegetation covered the land, with seed-bearing plants and forests soon to flourish.
340 million years: Diversification of amphibians. 280 million years: Beetles appeared. 320 million years Reptiles appeared.
251 million years: Mass extinction event, up to 95% of ocean species and 70% land species lost. 225 million years: First small dinosaurs appeared. 220 million years: Forests dominated the land. 201 million years: Mass extinction, 20% of all marine species killed; caused by oceanic anoxic event. 200 million years Mammals appeared. 150 million years: Birds appeared. 130 million years Flowering plants evolved with structures that attract insects and other animals to spread pollen.
This innovation causes a major burst of animal evolution through co-evolution. First freshwater pelomedusid turtles. 110 million years: Crocodiles appeared.
100 million years The first bees evolved. 90 million years: Snakes appeared. 80 million years: Ants appeared. 68 million years: Tyrannosaurus rex, the largest terrestrial predator of North America thrived. 65 million years: Meteor impact, 170 km crater Chicxulub, Yucatan, Mexico.
Mass extinction of 80-90% of marine species and 85% of land species. Dinosaurs became extinct. Mammals became dominant species. Rapid diversification in ants. 55 million years: Whale appeared.
52 million years: Bats appeared. 40 million years: Modern-type butterflies appeared. 30 million years: Pigs and Cats appeared. 25 million years: Deer appeared. 20 million years: Giraffes, Hyenas, Bears appeared.Increase in bird diversity. 15 million years: Kangaroo appeared. 14 million years: The first great apes appeared.
10 million years: Grasslands and savannas established. Diversity in insects, especially ants and termites. Horses increased in body size and developed high-crowned teeth. Major diversification in grassland mammals and snakes. 5 million years: First tree sloths and hippopotami, diversification of grazing herbivores like zebras and elephants, large carnivorous mammals like lions and dogs, burrowing rodents, kangaroos, birds, and small carnivores, vultures increase in size, decrease in the number of perissodactyl mammals.
4.4 million years: Appearance of Ardipithecus, an early Hominin Genus. 4 million years: North and South America joined at the Isthmus of Panama. Animals and plants cross the new land bridge. Ocean currents changed in the newly isolated Atlantic Ocean. First modern elephants, giraffes, zebras, lions, rhinos and gazelles appear in the fossil record. 3.9 million years: Appearance of Australopithecus, Genus of Hominids.
3.7 million years: Australopithecus Hominids inhabited Eastern and Northern Africa. 2.7 million years: Evolution of Paranthropus. 2.4 million years: Homo Habilis appeared. 2.1 million years: Yellowstone supervolcanic eruption. 2 million years: Tool-making Humanoids emerged. Beginning of the Stone Age, lasted several million years.
1.7 million years: Homo Erectus first moved out of Africa. 1.3 million years: Yellowstone supervolcanic eruption. 1.2 million years: Evolution of Homo antecessor. The last members of Paranthropus died out. 700,000 years: Human and Neanderthal lineages started to diverge genetically. 640,000 years: Yellowstone supervolcanic eruption. 600,000 years: Evolution of Homo Heidelbergensis.
530,000 years: Development of speech in Homo Heidelbergensis. 400,000 years: Hominids hunted with wooden spears and used stone cutting tools. 370,000 years: Human ancestors and Neanderthals were fully separate populations. 350,000 years: Evolution of Neanderthals. 300,000 years: Hominids used controlled fires. Neanderthal man spread through Europe 200,000 years: Anatomically modern humans appeared in Africa. 105,000 years: Stone age humans foraged for grass seeds such as sorghum.
80,000 years: Non-African humans interbreed with Neanderthals. 60,000 years: Oldest male ancestor of modern humans. 40,000 years: Cro-Magnon man appeared in Europe. 30,000 years: Neanderthals disappeared from fossil record. First domestic dogs. 15,000 years: Bering land bridge between Alaska and Siberia allowed human migration to America.
12,000 years: Fired pottery invented. 9,000 years: Metal smelting started. 5,500 years: Invention of the wheel. 5,300 years: The Bronze Age.
5,000 years: Development of writing. 4,500 years: Pyramids of Giza. 3,300 years: The Iron Age. 2,230 years: Archimedes advanced mathematics. 250 years: Start of the Industrial Revolution. 50 years: Space travel. Year 1957: Satellites orbited Earth. Year 1969 Human walked on the surface of the Moon. **Of all known forms of life ever to inhabit Earth, through many extinction events, only about 10 percent life forms still exist today.
References and More Readings: • First of all, I would like to say that it is generally true that carbon dating may very well have a declining level of accuracy the further back it goes, but I do not believe it is so inaccurate that it indicates that the universe is only 5000-20000 years old.
There are too many facts to prove that the universe is billions of years old. I do not believe that the universe magically appeared in the state that it was in a few thousand years ago.
Second of all, I DO believe that there are higher powers well beyond our understanding, whether you want to call it GOD or whatever. I do believe that the formation of the universe/earth has been affected by beings beyond our comprehension.
There are many misinterpretations of the bible that have occurred since the original writings. Some I believe were in poor translation due to the translators personal beliefs and interpretation, or the loss of meaning in translation. Some of it I believe was intentional misdirection. Either way, It is highly probable that the “inspired writings” in genisis that we have today have SIMILAR meaning to what was true, but when it says “on the first day god created the heavens and the earth” I do not believe that is properly translated.
I believe with all my heart the intended message, in English, is as follows. First, god created the universe (big bang) including the earth.
The earth was formless (a bunch of swirly gas) and empty (no life) and it was dark (sun hadn’t become a star yet). God said “let there be light” and he ignited the sun and the stars, which he was happy about. (billions of years go by as this happens) Second, god condensed the earth so that it had form, and land, and water, an an atmosphere. (more billions of years occurring) Third, god created life. He guided things such as grass, and seeds, and trees, and whatnot. (guided evolution, billions of years… god always was, a few billion years is not a problem) God then guided life to finally form man, which like him, was self aware and able to choose a path for itself.
Anyways you get the point. I do not believe that god would intentionally leave us an insurmountable amount of evidence in creation that the universe is in fact billions of years old. Light finally reaching us from distant stars in our own galaxy (let alone light from distant galaxies) is billions of years old.
I don’t think god decided to make stars and then push the light from those stars billions of years ahead just so it can reach us and confuse us as to how that can be. I don’t think that god put dinosaur bones in the ground that are obviously millions of years old, without there ever having been a dinosaur, just to confuse us. Sure, I can accept maybe the dinosaurs died out hundreds of thousands of years ago instead of millions due to inaccuracies in carbon dating.
20,000 years is kinda pushing it. Bottom line, Creationism and evolutionism do not necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. If you can believe its possible that our modern translation of the bible could possibly be slightly wrong, and considering that those that wrote it, tho inspired by god THOUGHT THE WORLD WAS FLAT… their understanding of how the universe works was extremely limited and therefore may have had to write the originals in terms they understood, It is, in my opinion a far shorter leap to think just maybe, more or less, both both the scientific and the biblical facts more or less agree with each other more than they disagree.
I’m sure we will discover new scientific facts that modify somewhat the way we believe universe was formed. I do not however believe that it is likely as time goes on that our level of accuracy of the original intended inspired word of god will get better, at least as long as we believe that what we have is 100% accurate and that it is impossible that there could be any errors, purposeful or accidental, to have occurred from the point of divine inspiration, to the level of comprehension of the writer, to the writing, and then many peoples interpretations and translations thereafter.
In writing this I do not intend to call anyone a liar, to speak any blasphemy, or to offend anyone. I merely wish to convey that this long standing belief that evolutionism and creationism are mutually exclusive may very well be the biggest error. To advance in science, we need to be able to be open minded and be able to have theories, then work to prove or disprove those theories.
To look at a dinosaur bone, and deduce scientifically that it is 1 million years old more or less, does not disprove god. We need to be able to make scientific theories without being shackled by unwavering beliefs. There are ways things work.
we call a lot of it physics. We have barely scratched the surface on understanding it, but, to deem the true nature of physics, genetics, chemistry, etc. to be the forbidden realm of god and unintended for man to try to comprehend is, in my opinion, counter intuitive to gods intention for us. He made us in his image, with reason, free will, self awareness.
I do not believe he made this gigantic universe, and made things work in a consistent logical repeatable manner, for us to just look at it and think “god made this stuff but he doesn’t want us to pick apart his secrets”. I do not think he made the universe so big that there are still potentially galaxies we aren’t even aware of yet, just to make us feel small. I think we are intended to explore and learn and advance and very possibly even run across other worlds he may have created, with other people on them even possibly, also who have been made in gods intelligent sentient free willed image.
I don’t think that the more we learn about science and the universe, the less we should believe in him. I think the more we learn about our universe, the more in awe of him we should be. I think that is the point. Number 27 Ryan makes a lot of sense. Carbon dating has established proven timelines into the mullions of years for many relics. I have found so many contradictions in religion that I cannot accept these writings from a time when it was still believed that the world was flat.
Those people knew nothing of the galaxies and even the distances would have been beyond their conception. No, I enjoy absorbing the knowledge of documents such as this, and in the mean time I try to live in a way which may be described as Christian in that I try to treat others as I would like to be treated, but without the belief in the written documents which go back such a short time.
Thank you for your arduous efforts in compiling this. It is good to see chronologies of different streams of events overlapped – this helps understand the framework of lesser ones, such as life under geology.
I think you should continue to update it as a public service, as there is no comparison. You might put ranges or error bars around some of the less certain numbers, which would help people understand what is well known, like extinctions, and what is pretty much a guess, like photosynthesis. Once again, brilliant work!
To be honest, it’s proven in scientific research that there are ‘ possibilities ‘ that Earth evolved, whereas there is NO proof or even possible proof that God is anything. It’s simply a belief. It’s the same as I believe there is more beyond this planet than we know. The thought of God was probably made by early humans because they knew very little about the planet and life and it gave them an answer whether it’s wrong or right.
It’s simple belief. That’s what religion is. I’m not religious in the slightest way but that’s my choice and we all have one. No disrespect to anyone, just stating my opinion. I’m sure Stephen(biblical name by the way) wasn’t out to discredit anyone’s faith or beliefs about how life and our beautiful planet came to be. I would encourage those with long held and deeply religious based beliefs to remember that the freedom to believe or not to believe is an integral part of being American. One should not allow their mind to be dictated by the opinions (whether based upon religious texts e.g.
bible, koran, ect…)but rather by their OWN CONVICTIONS. And also many questions will still remain probably unanswered due to our finite abilities to ascertain absolute truths regarding the beginnings of life, however there is no sin in inquiring an open mind.
I think God do not have a concept of time. Maybe the concept of God creating everything in existence in 7 days is allegoric in nature. Maybe the days meant the sequence, since God transcends time, what is 1 Billion years for him but a second? The point is that no one has really figured it out yet. Even some scientist believes of a Great Force that is responsible for all the movement and expansion. Peace to all! Loved reading this summary through, thank you!
Only people who lack imagination cannot see how grandiose this is. Two billion years of single cells organisms! Two billion years. People, can you imagine that kind of time span at all? Anyone with “strong” religious faith: just take your time and study and learn about these 2 BILLION years. How those single cells organisms work, how they evolved. Have an open mind, and try to take it in. It is amazing.
Just look at how the human eye developed. And then all the rest: the diversity, the colors, the beauty! Thriving, beautiful, rich and then bang…. most of them extinct. Repeatedly. Only to give way to another surge of fantastic lifeforms. And their survival gave way to more life and more diversity. The imagination of men populated our minds with Gods, which in itself is something fantastic and something beautiful. But reality is also complicated, also wonderful, and way, way interesting.
Yes, churches are beautiful, rituals are heart warming, traditions are respectable, culture is amazing. And all that is just in the last few thousand years! You just need to open your eyes and look at the creatures of earth with this history and learn their stories.
Study a branch of a tree. a leaf up close. The life around it. Think about the BILLION years it took to be where it is today. You can choose to believe in whatever you wish to, but do read about how beliefs are formed. Do your research. Read about the brain.
Read about how your thoughts and convictions are formed. It is a wonderful and interesting study! Evolution is something clear, logical and wonderful, and something no doubt have led to our existence today. Look at the evidence.
The end of this timeline, people… That contrast! Those few thousand years relative to the vast amount of time. And I love how the invention of the wheel and landing on the moon is there. It freaking makes me cry. That is how awesome this timeline is, and that is how awesome the world is. When you can look at it that way. in that perspective. Peace. WOW!! Many commentaries from scientists, religious aficionados, mis spellers, non native English speakers and et al.
My two cents: Thank you for posting this, it helps me teach my lessons in geology. For the Jehovah fans. You are welcome to your opinion, and the rest of the world is welcome to theirs.
If I chose to believe in fairytales as facts, that is my choice. Don’t confuse the power of your faith with the object in which you have chosen to deposit it. Your summary is excellent.
I’m an electrical engineer with a lifetime interest in approximating our unique human normal-paranormal nature. I personally have zero doubt that we humans are a combination of mechanistic and spiritual elements, and I try to be respectful to both agnostic and mainstream religious perspectives, even though I consider the extremes of atheism and traditional religion to be invalid.
My position is essentially simple, anything positive that can be rationalized about the spiritual correlated with the paranormal can be gained through speculation as to what’s logical and/or allowable based on our best science. I’ve come to the conclusion that the only way you can logically arrive at an approximation of reality is by comparing speculation as to what’s allowable based on our best science with what’s reasonable and correlated with spiritual sources.
For example, string theory suggests that something like 10-dimensions exist. Well the archaic Judea-Christian religions already have something like a 4,500 hundred year old investment in, and familiarity with at least the two dimensions: heaven and Earth.
Oh I know we’d need to define dimensions for nitpickers. But why not focus on this normal-paranormal dialog rather than rejecting the possibility that the bogyman-paranormal exists as atheists do. Because it’s impossible to deny that the paranormal exists, even in the form of a Christian God for one simple reason: It will always be impossible to perform two experiments that are in perfect agreement, so atheism is a stupid concept.
From our recent observations, it is very obvious to see some creatures have become extinct and few are cross multiplying and some others are even appearing new. That is definite prove for the evolution theory. Some brain-washed people try to continue to deny those findings. Any intelligent person will never accept a story written at a time when the literacy level was very, very low. No one will believe if one says that the god came one day and created the heaven, the next day this one, 3rd day another one and so on, and finally the god got tired and decided to have a rest on the 7th day!
Millions and millions of years ago, there were no Mr. & Mrs. Man, Mr. & Mrs. Lion, Mr. & Mrs. Snake, Mr. & Mrs. Insect, Mr. & Mrs. Fish and Mr. & Mrs.Tree! It was an entirely a different space with nothing on it. My sweet frnz (specially Ashish Kumar) ! If u have read Holy Book Of Hindu religion then u ought to know that the almighty has created the world ”THE ALMIGHTY LORD KRISHNA”.
This world did not came into existence by evolution. If u carefully observe this world then u will notice that everything goes on correctly without any disturbance & we live peacefully in this world. This cannot happen by evolution. Our Master, Higher Power is always looking at us & guiding us to live our life peacefully.God have created u & u say that he doesn’t exist.U didn’t come on this earth by evolution.& my gud frend Paul Bii u r absolutely correct.
It may be true but I think all years you mentioned may not be true. Think about “1 billion year”, we can’t live 100 years properly. It will be like so much time and in recent “5000 years” we created the “new world” or we can say “we changed the world”. So, think why science take so much time to developed the nature. These could be factual & supported with Scrientific evidences, but I still believe in a Greater Force which is the source of everything– (we call him God, Allah, Jehovah, etc…) … It says here: “The Sun formed from the gravitational collapse of a region within a large molecular cloud.”– Someone or something must still have initiated that “gravitational collapse”..an Energy or Source that initiated the creation of everything else… Even a great scientist such as Einstein believed in God.
ðŸ™‚ Hi Friends! Very interesting inputs, please keep this educative and constructive discussion going. For me, it has been my belief that God created this whole Universe. He created Planet Earth and planted life; I am sure He also planted life elsewhere in the Universe too. Through time and evolution, with God’s guidance, Human came. All species have to kill to survive and so “violence” is probably just part of “life” ?!?
My friend, It is amazing how much time you take to get all these facts. I wonder if you could read the Bible [Word of God], commencing from Genesis, to compare your findings. You will be surprised that it will just you a few minutes to see that your theories are wrong and believe that all nature are are Created and not evolved.
Please do read the Bible quoting a few verses; Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind.
And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. Genesis 2:4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
Genesis 5:1 This is the written account of Adamâ€™s family line. When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. Please my friend, you and I and mankind are created by God and not from collission of substances.
God loves you my friend and all mankind as we were His creation. I urge all my friend in this blog site, all the moral stories is the character of God in us and not from evolution or collission of matter.
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