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Hope this helps you out Winchester Pre 64 Model 70 Information Bolt action rifle, made in Short Rifle (Carbine), Standard, Featherweight, Magnum, Varmint, Super Grade or Match versions. Introduced in 1935 but not sold until 1937 starting at S/N 1 & made to up 1963 at S/N 581,471 for the pre-64 versions.
Cataloged calibers were, 22 Hornet, 220 Swift, 243 Win., 250 Savage, 257 Roberts, 264 Win Mag. 270 Win., 7x57mm Mauser, 7.65 Argentine, 300 Savage, 308 Win., 30-06, 300 H&H magnum, 300 Win. Mag. 338 Win Mag. 35 Remington, 358 Win. 9x97 mm, 375 H&H magnum, 458 Win. magnum These guns were made in carbine, (20"), featherweight, (22"), standard (24"), magnum & varmint (26") barrels.
The carbine & standard barrels had a raised ring, (boss) at the rear sight dovetail so that the dovetail was above the normal slot cut in the barrel. The featherweight & varmint barrels did not have the rear sight boss. The breech end of the barrel copied the 1903 Springfield coned breech. All guns other than the target versions used a barrel with an integral front ramp until 1955 when the ramps were silver soldered on. Sling swivels were the standard on-detachable bows for the standard grade.
Buttplates were a forged checkered steel with a lip on top, until later when they were black plastic. All the stocks were walnut & were hand checkered, except some match guns which were plain. The non magnum caliber magazines held 5 rounds. The steel hinged magazine cover was held in place at the rear by a plunger that was housed inside the front of the guard bow, (trigger guard).
Triggers were simple, but adjustable. There were 3 different types of safeties used on these guns. The original spatula thumb piece which blocked the line of sight for iron sights in the safe position & had to be moved to the left to fire. The transition & others thereafter will swing to the right or the muzzle to fire. The pre-64 was only made in a "long" action, as when using shorter calibers, the magazine box had spacers added in either the rear or front, or both to allow feeding.
A filler (spacer) block was added to the extractor ring that acted as a bolt stop & was made different lengths to accommodate each caliber other than the standard (30-06 & magnums). The ejector was made longer to compensate for shorter calibers.
Pre-War: The "Pre-War" (up to early 1942) version had a cloverleaf rear tang & was made from s/n 1 to about s/n 60,500 The bolt shrouds on the pre-war will be flat on top and the transition model will be round. The bolt handle on the pre-war will have a 90 degree step at the base and the transition does not.
The pre-war will have clip slots at the front of the rear receiver bridge on all of the standard actions. The transition model has the clip slots on the target rifles in 30-06 only or by special order.
The rear bridge on the pre-war has no original holes in the recessed and matted wavy line area. It does have (2) peep sight holes on the LH side of the rear receiver. Scope mounts in that era used a rear base that was made to use these peep sight holes on the side.
Transition guns: The "Transition" was then made from 1945 until 1951 from approximately s/n 60,500 - 87,700 on the standard action and s/n 63,200 - 121,700 for the magnum action.
The reason for this is that it appears there was 2 assembly lines. The carbines were discontinued about 1947. The transition safety lever was changed to swing to the muzzle to fire.
These 3 position safeties had an abbreviated lever that did not hang lower than the top of the sleeve. The transition version has two holes on the rear bridge with a space of .865 center to center, and no recessed wavy line area. The "Later" pre-64 version went up into late 1963 & ended at s/n 581,471. It's safety had a extension protruding over the side of the sleeve & could have been called a full safety lever There was supposed to be a gap in serial numbers between the ending of the "Pre 64" at s/n 581,471, and the new "Post 64" guns that started at s/n 700,000.
Featherweight: The Featherweight was introduced in 1952 & used a shorter barrel, 22", with no rear sight hump, & the guard bow (trigger guard) & magazine cover were made of black annodized aluminum.
The buttplate was also aluminum. The stock had 2 holes drilled about 7" deep under the buttplate. All other metal parts interchanged with the standard gun. The Super Grade: The Super grade guns had a sling swivel similar to the now commonly known Quick Take-Down type only they were about ½" wide at the base. The bows were made of a crude casting. Very late SG guns & factory replacement parts, used a narrower base that is compatible with the common QD bases.
The magazine cover has "SUPER GRADE" stamped in the outside of the cover. The front sight was a Redfield sourdough. Wood was a higher grade than was found on the standard grade guns. There was a grip cap on these versions. Westerner: The Westerner was available in either the 264 or 300 Win. Mag. with a 26" barrel. Alaskan: The Alaskan could be had in either a 338 Win mag. or the 375 H&H mag. It came with a 25" barrel. African: The Afican was available only in the 458 Win Mag with a 25" barrel.
Serial Numbers for date manufactured for pre-64 guns Year S/N start S/N end Quantity 1936 1 2,238 2,238 1937 2,239 11,573 9,335 1938 11,574 17,844 6,271 1939 17,845 23,991 6,147 1940 23,992 31,675 7,684 1941 31,676 41,753 10,078 1942 41,754 49,206 7,453 1943 49,207 49,983 777 1944 49,984 49,997 14 1945 49,998 50,921 924 1946 50,922 58,382 7,461 1947 58,383 75,675 17,293 1948 75,676 101,680 26,005 1949 101,681 131,580 29,900 1950 131,581 173,150 41,570 1951 173,151 206,625 33,475 1952 206,626 238,820 32,195 1953 238,821 282,735 43,915 1954 282,736 323,530 40,795 1955 323,531 361,025 37,495 1956 361,026 393,595 32,570 1957 393,596 425,283 31,688 1958 425,284 440,792 15,509 1959 440,793 465,040 24,248 1960 465,041 504,257 39,217 1961 504,258 545,446 41,189 1962 545,447 565,592 20,146 1963 562,593 581,471 15,879 Winchester Post 64 Model 70 Information POST 64 GUNS: Gun production methods had changed to the point that Olin had to look at just how they made this model as compared to how Remington was making the model 700's.
Winchester was making guns the "OLD WAY" using many machines & multiple operations to complete each part. Remington on the other hand had gained much from WWII production insight by using stamped parts wherever possible & different design methods when they introduced their new model 721 & 722 right after the war. Winchester on the other hand was kind of stuck with the established & well thought of model 70, which did not lend itself with modernization without suffering dramatic cosmetic changes.
The upper level management at Olin must have thought that they could convince the buying public that the newer models were just as good. Mechanically they were, but just try to convince the older generation that knew what they wanted, not what somebody thought they wanted. This time frame also saw one of our greatest inflationary periods ever.
Increased shortages of good walnut for stocks & the rise in cost of steel & other alloy materials. Raising demands for American skilled labor also was a contributing factor. Many extras that were offered before were dropped from the catalogs, probably because they had no one skilled enough to produce the extras. One author stated that the existing tooling was wearing out.
This may have been so to a point, but my thoughts are that the company needed to cut production costs to survive & the R & D crew was given a task. They did an admirable job while yet maintaining the somewhat resemblance of the predecessor.
Serial numbers were supposed to have started at 700,000 when the new model was introduced in1964. However a few have been noticed at numbers below that established guideline. Many things changed on this model as compared to just the year before. The most obvious was the impressed checkering & stock finish. The old Mauser type extractor was eliminated & a new style smaller unit was moved into the RH bolt lug & it used a spring loaded plungered system. The ejector was a small spring loaded plunger incorporated into the bottom front of the bolt face.
There was a striker cap on the rear of the bolt sleeve covering the rear of the firing pin, serving as a gas deflector. The sights were made by Williams Gunsight Co.
as their standard replacement sights for gunsmiths that screwed onto the barrel. The action was lengthened slightly to accommodate the longer cartridges. The magazine boxes were stamped & utilized feed rails/lips instead of the receiver having to be machined for each cartridge.
The trigger guard (guard bow as the factory calls it) was made from an aluminum casting that was painted black. The floorplate was a steel casting that was copper plated & then black chromed. The barrel used the same threads as before, but did not keep the coned breech.
The trigger & sear were a casting. The bolt handle was cast & silver solder welded onto the rear of the bolt body. There was no anti bind lug on the middle left side of the bolt body. After the 1968 Federal gun control law, (put thru congress after JF Kennedy was assassinated), all the Post 64 guns then carried a "G" s/n prefix at near 874,000. This was also the time the "Anti-Bind" bolt was initiated.
This new bolt used a lip on the lower edge of the RH locking lug. The lip rode under a part of the receiver rail that help prevent bolt binding. USRAC: Over the years since 1964 this model has went thru many cosmetic changes. These ranged from cheaper guns with blind magazines & walnut stained birch stocks, to Mannlicher stocks, to hard finished walnut with machine cut checkering.
The list goes on which included 11 different styles. USRAC (United States Repeating Arms Corp.) was formed and continued manufacturing Winchester brand rifles and shotguns under license from Olin Corp. on 7-20-1981. This final year of Olin production saw a new "XTR Featherweight".
But very few actually made it to the dealers shelves before USRAC took over. The only way I have been able to discern the difference is that the thin red/brown rubber Pachmayr buttplate would have been the only difference displaying either the name "Winchester" or "USRAC".
USRAC, which licenses the Winchester name from Olin Corp., was acquired by the French government owned defense contractor giant GIAT Industries in late 1990. Many changes were made to the model 70 under USRAC's leadership. They came up with a detachable magazine in about 1989, then changed the magazine again the next year when they reintroduced the claw type extractor similar to the pre-64 type.
One problem was that they called it the "pre 64 type". Many not so knowledgeable customers thought it was indeed a pre 64, as they did not read the word TYPE when they needed spare parts. Parts are not interchangeable with the pre 64 guns. USRA came out with short action guns to accommodate the shorter 223 or 243 length cartridges.
They also came out with stainless steel versions. In about 1992 the BOSS accurizeing system was introduced as an adjustable unit on the muzzle. A new $15 million plant was opened in October 1994 in New Haven, Conn., the 225,000-square-foot plant house state-of-the-art equipment run by approximately 550 employees.
One bad situation encountered is that now if you need factory repair, ( bolt or barrel replacement), for a gun made before 1981, the USRA factory will send the gun back, saying no parts are available. Parts ARE the same as currently used & are available, BUT since Olin made the gun & not USRA, the lawyers for the factory have decided that since USRA did not make the gun that they will not repair it because of liability concerns.
The above discontinuance of repairs was not limited to the model 70, as it covers all the other models including the model 94. Serial Numbers for date manufactured for post-64 guns Year S/N start S/N end Quantity 1964 700,000 757,180 57,181 1965 757,181 818,500 61,320 1966 818,501 855,860 37,360 1967 855,861 873,694 17,834 1968 G873,695 G929,990 56,296 1969 G929,991 G965,200 35,210 1970 G965,201 G1,000,436 43,236 1971 G1,000,437 G1,041,884 33,448 1972 G1,041,885 G1,088,291 46,407 1973 G1,088,292 G1,130,146 41,855 1974 G1,130,147 G1,176,878 46,732 1975 G1,176,879 G1,235,041 58,163 1976 G1,235,042 G1,298,272 63,231 1977 G1,298,273 G1,380,667 82,395 1978 G1,380,668 G1,423,869 43,202 1979 G1,423,870 G1,450,135 26,266 1980 G1,450,135 G1,493,463 43,328 1981 G1,493,464 G1,525,323 31,860 Guns made after 1981 would have been made by USRA & not shown on this chart Similar Threads Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post faucettb Gunsmithing 42 07-13-2015 11:02 AM John Kort Leverguns and Their Cartridges (General) 3 12-13-2010 03:16 AM 147 Grain Rifles and Rifle Cartridges 6 07-17-2005 11:31 AM khuntsoften Winchester 94 Lever Guns 2 09-15-2004 12:17 AM shooterpunk Rifles and Rifle Cartridges 0 03-25-2004 11:43 PM
First time poster here, and I've got a question if you wouldn't mind answering. I've got a Winchester Model 70, but I'm not sure which model it really is. I've taken the notion that it is a Cold Weather Custom in 7mm Magnum (which I know). And since I'm only a student on a VERY tight budget, I picked this gun up for $400 from a local dealer. I figured it was a good deal, and I wanted a long distance rifle so I picked it up.
Well, now comes the indepth questions. Is Winchester a good enough brand to make into a custom? I know Remington is the most widely used, and most widely availible.
But would this be a gun that would be worth while to make into a target/hunting rifle? Right now it has a 26" barrel, 1:9" twist rate, and a standard action and bolt. Magnaporting is done also. I'm just wondering, if this would be a gun that would be worth while to say ...
stick a good scope on, trigger job, large bolt handle, new stock, ect. Or would I be better off to try and pick up a used ADL or BDL from someone or somewhere and mod that out. I don't know if 7mm is too big for target and paper punching. I know the ammo isn't easy on the pocket book, so I was thinking that it might be better off to buy something like a .308 so I can pick up cheap WOLF ammo.
I've been liking the big bores more and more, and the .338 has been looking like one heck of a rifle also. I'd like to see this rifle with like a heavier barrel, and fluting done to it. Maybe used for long range deer or elk hunting. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and good job on a wonderful site, Josh as far as i know the Winchester M70 is a good action Remington M700 is perhapes the most common action found in world class sniper rifles yes but there is nothing wrong with the Win M70 there are some world class sniper rifles that use that action too such as the Dakota T-76 Longbow if you get another rifle or not thats your call...
if you get another it shodulnt be cause the model 70 is a bad action but you need a differnt caliber to save money (long term) on ammo as far as wolf ammo goes i would stay away from it look in the calibers and cartridges section to learn more on that there are atleast 2 wolf ammo discussion topics in there... you invest in a good rifle, scope, quality mounts why kill the potential of that system with cheap ammo? if you want to shoot wolf ammo get an AK if you get a .308 i cant tell you what ammo to get cause i dont have one myself yet and every gun is differnt .308 does have less kick than the 7mm...
and less expensive for long medium and long range target shooting i consider the .308 to be a good choice i think the Rem 700 in .308 is a good choice if you decide to get another rifle.. im getting one myself in th near future what range will you be target shooting at?? if it is close you might want to consider a .223... good surplus ammo (Federal XM193 isnt that expensive) sells that stuff for $3.79/pack my both my AR-15s love it If you're on a tight budget, getting a custom rifle isn't the best idea.
It's best to just stick with the 70 you have now. To get the rifle fully accurized up, and with a new barrel, will run you up Another 600 or so dollars. That's without a Scope, Rings, Base. That'll run you up another 750 dollars, IF you can find some cheap. And if you want to long range shoot or hunt with this gun, they will not be cheap, unless you like looking through bad glass at long ranges. Ps; On the subject of fluting, if it's done right, you'll get a barrel with no loss in rigidity, but you'll pickup and increase in mirage off the barrel.
So it's kind of a win/lose scenario. You'll break even. Ps; On the subject of fluting, if it's done right, you'll get a barrel with no loss in rigidity, but you'll pickup and increase in mirage off the barrel. So it's kind of a win/lose scenario. You'll break even.well my Bushmaster Varminter has flutes on it.. only shot it on a few hot day it was around 85-90 degrees and i know what your talking about...
it does happen aspecially after an extended shooting session Hey Sholiz Last year I bought a winchester 70 black shadow in 300 win mag, and thats an economy rifle. I didn't expect anything much out of it, but it suprised me. Mel pointed out to me here on the forum that quality of mass produced rifles can vary, but this one shot about 1.8 moa out of the box.
Not too shabby. I find the 70 to be a good strong action, and I bet it would be a great start to a custom rifle. For me, since I'm on abit of a budget too, I just build to it slowly, and enjoy it in the meanwhile. Start with the trigger job, as that will always be there. If you want to keep your stock, wait on it, and have it bedded. If not, a choate varmint stock was able to cut my group size in half.
I know it would work better with a heavier barrel though. As for the barrel, well, theres a lot of great makers out there and great prices too...If you don't have your heart set on any other rifles, just save up a lil at a time, and get to know shooting your rifle as it is for now. I know 7mm mag can be a little expensive, but not terribly, and the kick isn't all that severe either...Personally I don't find it different from 30-06 range...a little softer than my 300. For the scope, there are some alternatives to a pricey Leupy...I find my Bushnell 3200 Elite 10X40 with mil dot is a great bargian...Bet its only $200 US, and its dependable.
Mel has a review of it on his site, and I think he did a good job of writing it. If you don't mind a scope fixed on 10 power. Burris scopes have been mentioned here too, and one has a reticle that has marks on it to compensate for shooting from 100 to 500 M...They are affordable too. I think you can do a lot with your rifle. Just figure out what you would like to keep, what it really needs, and hold off on things like the bigger bolt handle, and other things that aren't really essential.
Hey, who knows, maybe after bedding the stock, tuning the trigger, and a little bit of truing, you'll be satisfied with the results, and not want to do anything else to it. As is, its a wonderful hunting rifle. Find out how much everything will cost. Decide if thats right for you. If not, then you can buy a tactical rifle without breaking the bank.
7mm Mag is a great long range round, and a very effective hunting round. I don't think anyone makes match ammo, but with premium ammo you will be pretty damn accurate anyway.
I have to agree with Jeff_850 on the wolf stuff...If you like hitting the broad side of a barn, stay away from it. Sounds to me like you have a great rifle. The Model 70 is an awesome rifle. I have two myself. One is a 30-06 and the other is a .308. I'll be honest, I normally don't test the groupings of my hunting rifles all too often, as long as they are within 2-3 inches at 100m I can take a deer / boar no problem.
The action itself is nice, the floorplate nice (since they dont skimp on it like Remington ADL vs BDL.). The only real difference between the two is the way the action works, both of mine are extremly smooth, even compared to my heavily modified 700 action. As far as Barrels go, I'm going to try out Montana Rifleman. I have a Shilen and a Blackstar already, but I would like to see how a "bargain" brand would do vs. thiers. Montana Rifleman makes the barrels for SC1. Stocks are a personal opinion.
Wether or not you could make it a custom rifle, of course you could. Hell, I would seriously consider turning one of mine into one except I'm too attached to them. Thank you all for your opinons, one of these days I'll figure out a cost on it. I'm starting to think some of the main things will be: 1: Trigger, definately needs to be changed.
Crisper, smoother pull IMO. 2: Barrel, it's a quite thin barrel as of now, and I wouldn't mind having a thicker barrel on it. 3: Bolt modifications, it's somewhat sticky and not as smooth as I would like it to be. Really, that's about all I feel is "needed" to make it a better rifle for me.
After reading opinions and such, there are other things that could be changed. I could always get a new stock, bolt handle and such at a later time. But I'm going to go along with a trigger job and work on the bolt.
After that, I feel the rifle should shoot fairly decent, from what I've seen Winchester's do. Thanks, Josh I would actually suggest getting the trigger job, barrel, (I perfer #8) and or stock. A good stock pillarbedded can drop the accuracy down a lot. If you keep you (wood?) stock, I would definately have it bedded, you will be amazed.
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Watch Art disassemble a Pre 64 Winchester model 70.